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	<title>Comments on: Bollard &#8220;calls for exchange rate stability&#8221;</title>
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	<description>The Productive Economy Council represents a growing community of people that wish to see New Zealand return to the upper end of the OECD in terms of GDP per capita.</description>
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		<title>By: Les Rudd</title>
		<link>http://www.pec.org.nz/2009/11/bollard-calls-for-exchange-rate-stability/comment-page-1/#comment-59</link>
		<dc:creator>Les Rudd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ideas described here might help:

http://www.interest.co.nz/ratesblog/index.php/2009/11/16/top-10-at-10-south-canterbury-losses-china-bubble-to-pop-mad-butcher-vs-chrisco-dilberts/comment-page-1/#comment-47427</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ideas described here might help:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.interest.co.nz/ratesblog/index.php/2009/11/16/top-10-at-10-south-canterbury-losses-china-bubble-to-pop-mad-butcher-vs-chrisco-dilberts/comment-page-1/#comment-47427" rel="nofollow">http://www.interest.co.nz/ratesblog/index.php/2009/11/16/top-10-at-10-south-canterbury-losses-china-bubble-to-pop-mad-butcher-vs-chrisco-dilberts/comment-page-1/#comment-47427</a></p>
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		<title>By: Selwyn Pellett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Selwyn Pellett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time will tell Les. They are seriously looking at all the issues and lots of data gathering at the moment. Frankly they have the horsepower to come up with some great solutions if as you say they have the political will to do so. 

The debate over asset sales needs to start now as it might as well be broadcast on TV 1 News that National is lining up the asset sales. The treasury report is an early announcement and part justification. “Live within your means” New Zealand but in the mean time we will clock up some debt and then say 2 years from now that you have spent too much and it’s time to sell of the silverware again. Sel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time will tell Les. They are seriously looking at all the issues and lots of data gathering at the moment. Frankly they have the horsepower to come up with some great solutions if as you say they have the political will to do so. </p>
<p>The debate over asset sales needs to start now as it might as well be broadcast on TV 1 News that National is lining up the asset sales. The treasury report is an early announcement and part justification. “Live within your means” New Zealand but in the mean time we will clock up some debt and then say 2 years from now that you have spent too much and it’s time to sell of the silverware again. Sel</p>
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		<title>By: Les Rudd</title>
		<link>http://www.pec.org.nz/2009/11/bollard-calls-for-exchange-rate-stability/comment-page-1/#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator>Les Rudd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Selwyn - I see little hope of Nats gov. responding positively to Lab's banking inquiry. Given theere are well research options to fix most of the problems indentified in that work, that implies a time limit on Labour responding positively to create a proposed mandate for change - no matter how much they fear 'political risk'. They either show LEADERSHIP, or they don't. Writing a report is one thing, but writing history is another - and from what I saw of them over the last ten years, they don't look that so qualified for that kind of challenge. I'd like to be proved wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Selwyn - I see little hope of Nats gov. responding positively to Lab&#8217;s banking inquiry. Given theere are well research options to fix most of the problems indentified in that work, that implies a time limit on Labour responding positively to create a proposed mandate for change - no matter how much they fear &#8216;political risk&#8217;. They either show LEADERSHIP, or they don&#8217;t. Writing a report is one thing, but writing history is another - and from what I saw of them over the last ten years, they don&#8217;t look that so qualified for that kind of challenge. I&#8217;d like to be proved wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Selwyn Pellett</title>
		<link>http://www.pec.org.nz/2009/11/bollard-calls-for-exchange-rate-stability/comment-page-1/#comment-54</link>
		<dc:creator>Selwyn Pellett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don’t hold back Les, say what you really mean. I agree by the way....Left and Right is dead and we need to get on with making decissions that make sense for 95% of New Zealanders instead of 5%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don’t hold back Les, say what you really mean. I agree by the way&#8230;.Left and Right is dead and we need to get on with making decissions that make sense for 95% of New Zealanders instead of 5%.</p>
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		<title>By: Les Rudd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Les Rudd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grumpy Old Man - it's why I've never seen the NZ Labour Party as the party of the 'common man/woman' - given they slavishly followed the neo.con religion as slavishly as those at the other political pole. No surprise I guess when you look at the NZ political geneology involved. Anyway given the completion of this recent parliamentary banking inquiry that David Cunliffe has led, maybe they can generate a new mandate for change will lead to 'The End of Left versus Right’ in terms of rebuilding the NZ economy and also abandon the dogma associated with both ‘Left-wing Utopias and Free Market Fantasies’. Here's hoping. I wonder if they got the wotsits for it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grumpy Old Man - it&#8217;s why I&#8217;ve never seen the NZ Labour Party as the party of the &#8216;common man/woman&#8217; - given they slavishly followed the neo.con religion as slavishly as those at the other political pole. No surprise I guess when you look at the NZ political geneology involved. Anyway given the completion of this recent parliamentary banking inquiry that David Cunliffe has led, maybe they can generate a new mandate for change will lead to &#8216;The End of Left versus Right’ in terms of rebuilding the NZ economy and also abandon the dogma associated with both ‘Left-wing Utopias and Free Market Fantasies’. Here&#8217;s hoping. I wonder if they got the wotsits for it?</p>
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		<title>By: Grumpy Old Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grumpy Old Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thing is it is the global elite that wins with the neocon agenda, individual countries do to some extent but the large private transnational interests really hover up all the gain.  And the people at the very bottom get well and truly reamed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thing is it is the global elite that wins with the neocon agenda, individual countries do to some extent but the large private transnational interests really hover up all the gain.  And the people at the very bottom get well and truly reamed.</p>
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		<title>By: Les Rudd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Les Rudd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tadhg - good questions, the most important one being, "why has it not been re-visited as a policy?" I believe you will get some answers to that question from two books that I have completed reviews for that can be downloaded from the top area of this page on the NZMEA website:

http://www.mea.org.nz/events.aspx

The books are, 

1) Culture and Prosperity: the truth about markets – why some nations are rich but most remain poor. John Kay, 2003, Harper Business. He cites and analyses Argentina and New Zealand(!) as examples of countries that were onces rich but are now in the “intermediate-rich list” – not far off being considered poor.

2) The Origin of Wealth – Evolution, Complexity, and the Radical Remaking of Economics. Eric D. Beinhocker, 2006, Harvard Business School Press. This might be a useful chapter for you, ‘Politics and Policy – The End of Left versus Right’ that includes a very interesting section entitled ‘Left-wing Utopias and Free Market Fantasies’. 

You might also want to have a read through an article/thread by Selwyn on Interest.co.nz: 

http://www.interest.co.nz/ratesblog/index.php/2009/11/06/opinion-how-neoliberalism-has-failed-new-zealand/

And these by John Walley:

http://www.interest.co.nz/ratesblog/index.php/2009/11/04/opinion-rbnz-needs-effective-tools-to-control-non-tradeable-inflation-and-volume-of-credit/

http://www.interest.co.nz/ratesblog/index.php/2009/10/23/opinion-why-new-zealand-needs-to-follow-singapores-example/

It is not as though we are lacking options. What we do lack is LEADERSHIP and the WILL to change, and both have been lacking for a considerable time, which is undeniable.

Les Rudd
Invited Member
NZMEA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tadhg - good questions, the most important one being, &#8220;why has it not been re-visited as a policy?&#8221; I believe you will get some answers to that question from two books that I have completed reviews for that can be downloaded from the top area of this page on the NZMEA website:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mea.org.nz/events.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.mea.org.nz/events.aspx</a></p>
<p>The books are, </p>
<p>1) Culture and Prosperity: the truth about markets – why some nations are rich but most remain poor. John Kay, 2003, Harper Business. He cites and analyses Argentina and New Zealand(!) as examples of countries that were onces rich but are now in the “intermediate-rich list” – not far off being considered poor.</p>
<p>2) The Origin of Wealth – Evolution, Complexity, and the Radical Remaking of Economics. Eric D. Beinhocker, 2006, Harvard Business School Press. This might be a useful chapter for you, ‘Politics and Policy – The End of Left versus Right’ that includes a very interesting section entitled ‘Left-wing Utopias and Free Market Fantasies’. </p>
<p>You might also want to have a read through an article/thread by Selwyn on Interest.co.nz: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.interest.co.nz/ratesblog/index.php/2009/11/06/opinion-how-neoliberalism-has-failed-new-zealand/" rel="nofollow">http://www.interest.co.nz/ratesblog/index.php/2009/11/06/opinion-how-neoliberalism-has-failed-new-zealand/</a></p>
<p>And these by John Walley:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.interest.co.nz/ratesblog/index.php/2009/11/04/opinion-rbnz-needs-effective-tools-to-control-non-tradeable-inflation-and-volume-of-credit/" rel="nofollow">http://www.interest.co.nz/ratesblog/index.php/2009/11/04/opinion-rbnz-needs-effective-tools-to-control-non-tradeable-inflation-and-volume-of-credit/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.interest.co.nz/ratesblog/index.php/2009/10/23/opinion-why-new-zealand-needs-to-follow-singapores-example/" rel="nofollow">http://www.interest.co.nz/ratesblog/index.php/2009/10/23/opinion-why-new-zealand-needs-to-follow-singapores-example/</a></p>
<p>It is not as though we are lacking options. What we do lack is LEADERSHIP and the WILL to change, and both have been lacking for a considerable time, which is undeniable.</p>
<p>Les Rudd<br />
Invited Member<br />
NZMEA</p>
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		<title>By: Selwyn Pellett</title>
		<link>http://www.pec.org.nz/2009/11/bollard-calls-for-exchange-rate-stability/comment-page-1/#comment-49</link>
		<dc:creator>Selwyn Pellett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The above comments where not mine i just posted them from a contributor. These are mine....

Yes there are always choices beyond those considered as wise or prudent to those making the decision.  

We are all victims of both our formal and informal education and that drives us to make calls that to others seem illogical or at least ill considered. I see this both in peoples personal and business lives all the time where they say “but there were no other options”  and I can see three or four but they couldn’t as the emotional pain of making them was just too high.
 
The over reaction to the command economy of Muldoon is still part of our decision making in New Zealand as is the swing to arguably the most open economy in the world with the government that followed. 

The “fear” of being perceived as part of either camp is still making many politicians impotent today. The market doesn’t decide, people do. If we leave our future entirely to the market forces this country is doomed to maintain its long downward spiral (IMHO).
 
Those economies that advocate Neo Liberal policies seem to be ones that benefit from its adoption elsewhere and typically started from a position of significant strength. Our journey of faith and it’s lack of success was in hindsight totally predictable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The above comments where not mine i just posted them from a contributor. These are mine&#8230;.</p>
<p>Yes there are always choices beyond those considered as wise or prudent to those making the decision.  </p>
<p>We are all victims of both our formal and informal education and that drives us to make calls that to others seem illogical or at least ill considered. I see this both in peoples personal and business lives all the time where they say “but there were no other options”  and I can see three or four but they couldn’t as the emotional pain of making them was just too high.</p>
<p>The over reaction to the command economy of Muldoon is still part of our decision making in New Zealand as is the swing to arguably the most open economy in the world with the government that followed. </p>
<p>The “fear” of being perceived as part of either camp is still making many politicians impotent today. The market doesn’t decide, people do. If we leave our future entirely to the market forces this country is doomed to maintain its long downward spiral (IMHO).</p>
<p>Those economies that advocate Neo Liberal policies seem to be ones that benefit from its adoption elsewhere and typically started from a position of significant strength. Our journey of faith and it’s lack of success was in hindsight totally predictable.</p>
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		<title>By: Selwyn Pellett</title>
		<link>http://www.pec.org.nz/2009/11/bollard-calls-for-exchange-rate-stability/comment-page-1/#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>Selwyn Pellett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A slightly counter view Israel......

There were, of course, plenty of alternatives.  Just not ones that the received wisdom at the time agreed with.
Yes, the devaluation in ‘84 was inevitable and unavoidable. We didn’t have reserves left to defend the currency with. But the subsequent floating of the exch rate and related policies were by choice.

The freeing up restrictions/controls on the goods (production) markets carried some sanity.  But, the sequence of freeing up markets is important.  

The freeing up of financial flows was undertaken earlier than the freeing up of goods markets, and this at the time caused a shift in resources away from production towards financial speculation.  Sound familiar?  

This earlier freeing up of financial versus goods markets only accentuated our fundamental external current account imbalance which continues to today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A slightly counter view Israel&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>There were, of course, plenty of alternatives.  Just not ones that the received wisdom at the time agreed with.<br />
Yes, the devaluation in ‘84 was inevitable and unavoidable. We didn’t have reserves left to defend the currency with. But the subsequent floating of the exch rate and related policies were by choice.</p>
<p>The freeing up restrictions/controls on the goods (production) markets carried some sanity.  But, the sequence of freeing up markets is important.  </p>
<p>The freeing up of financial flows was undertaken earlier than the freeing up of goods markets, and this at the time caused a shift in resources away from production towards financial speculation.  Sound familiar?  </p>
<p>This earlier freeing up of financial versus goods markets only accentuated our fundamental external current account imbalance which continues to today.</p>
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		<title>By: Israel Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Israel Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can shed a bit of light here Sel:

In 1984 media speculation followed a leak that an incoming Labour government would be likely to significantly devalue the dollar upon election. The Reserve Bank advised the then Prime Minister, Sir Robert Muldoon, that the dollar should be devalued. Muldoon ignored the advice, owing to his misheld belief that it would hurt poorer New Zealanders in the medium term. In June 1984 Muldoon announced a snap election to be held in July. This caused an immediate run on the dollar, as currency speculators believed a Labour win would mean devaluation. Despite a deepening foreign exchange crisis, Muldoon continued to refuse to devalue, forcing the Reserve Bank to take some extraordinary steps, such as the temporary closing the forex markets for a short period of time to slow down devaluation.

Leading up to 1984 the NZ Treasury, which had been unsuccessful in the battle against Muldoon's disastrous 'Think Big' government investment projects and the two-year wage and price freeze, had clear views on what needed to be done. They were pulled together in the few weeks following the announcement of the snap election in mid-June 1984, as a post-election briefing for the incoming government.

The day after winning the general election in 1984, the Labour government was informed that it faced a foreign exchange crisis. Within days the situation had escalated into a constitutional crisis. Decisive corrective action was required, and was boldly taken. The currency was devalued and interest rate controls were removed in order to allow monetary policy to defend the new exchange rate. Price controls were quickly removed.

Two enormous tasks followed. The spiral of fiscal deficits, public debt and credit downgrades had to be reversed, and markets had to be freed up to allow the private sector to generate sustainable economic growth. These twin tasks of stabilisation and liberalisation took most of the next decade. The programme constitutes what a former OECD senior official, David Henderson, has called "one of the most notable episodes of liberalisation that history has to offer".

It is fair to say that the course of action Lange and the new Labour government took was the only "prudent" one to take at the time. If NZ wanted to avoid a complete and utter collapse of its currency and economy there were really no alternatives.

More detailed info and be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_New_Zealand_constitutional_crisis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can shed a bit of light here Sel:</p>
<p>In 1984 media speculation followed a leak that an incoming Labour government would be likely to significantly devalue the dollar upon election. The Reserve Bank advised the then Prime Minister, Sir Robert Muldoon, that the dollar should be devalued. Muldoon ignored the advice, owing to his misheld belief that it would hurt poorer New Zealanders in the medium term. In June 1984 Muldoon announced a snap election to be held in July. This caused an immediate run on the dollar, as currency speculators believed a Labour win would mean devaluation. Despite a deepening foreign exchange crisis, Muldoon continued to refuse to devalue, forcing the Reserve Bank to take some extraordinary steps, such as the temporary closing the forex markets for a short period of time to slow down devaluation.</p>
<p>Leading up to 1984 the NZ Treasury, which had been unsuccessful in the battle against Muldoon&#8217;s disastrous &#8216;Think Big&#8217; government investment projects and the two-year wage and price freeze, had clear views on what needed to be done. They were pulled together in the few weeks following the announcement of the snap election in mid-June 1984, as a post-election briefing for the incoming government.</p>
<p>The day after winning the general election in 1984, the Labour government was informed that it faced a foreign exchange crisis. Within days the situation had escalated into a constitutional crisis. Decisive corrective action was required, and was boldly taken. The currency was devalued and interest rate controls were removed in order to allow monetary policy to defend the new exchange rate. Price controls were quickly removed.</p>
<p>Two enormous tasks followed. The spiral of fiscal deficits, public debt and credit downgrades had to be reversed, and markets had to be freed up to allow the private sector to generate sustainable economic growth. These twin tasks of stabilisation and liberalisation took most of the next decade. The programme constitutes what a former OECD senior official, David Henderson, has called &#8220;one of the most notable episodes of liberalisation that history has to offer&#8221;.</p>
<p>It is fair to say that the course of action Lange and the new Labour government took was the only &#8220;prudent&#8221; one to take at the time. If NZ wanted to avoid a complete and utter collapse of its currency and economy there were really no alternatives.</p>
<p>More detailed info and be found here: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_New_Zealand_constitutional_crisis" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_New_Zealand_constitutional_crisis</a></p>
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